Hi y’all! 👋🏽 The pope and the president are fighting and no that’s not a punchline for a dad joke. We celebrate Easter the way the radical organizer, Jesus, would want, by talking about community and radical love! I sit down with two of my pastors from Middle Church, Rev. Natalie Perkins and Jillian Langford, to discuss Jesus, the rise of Christian Nationalism, and how Middle Church is building a community that’s moving for change. This was originally recorded on August 19, 2025 as part of our ongoing Road Trippin’ for Change series. Watch today’s episode.
In the Episode
- Jesus Teachings vs. Christian Nationalism
- How a church fire transformed Middle Church
- Church as love and community
- The complexity of Christianity in the U.S.
- The spiritual work of becoming human beings, not human doings
- Church as movement organizing
- The intersection of history and religion
- Using religion and spirituality to move through the rise of Christian Nationalism
- Octavia Butler’s God is Change
Media, Resources, & News
- Middle Church
- Fierce Love by Rev. Dr. Jacqui Lewis
- 🎙️ New York Organizing for Our Future Today with Chris Torres
- Ubunutu & Other Lessons from Black Liberation
- The Will to Change by bell hooks
- Freedom Rising Conference
- Nazis & Hegseth: Christian Nationalism Rhythms
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